you say; Very simple. US wants Ukraine but in package with its partner Russia with whom it shares “such deep ties of family, history, and culture”.
why does us want ukraine and in what sense and what right does the us have to have ukraine?
and then i get confused if you mean nato or the us, it seems to me they are more or less the same.
Looking through history it seems to me fairly obvious that the uk and usa want to cripple russia all along and to do that cut it off from europe; this they have done by organising ww1 (and as consequence ww2) and introducing bolschewism and supporting nazism in hidden ways wheras publicly under the banner of freedom and democracy.
What if? What if a wolf would be a vegetarian, then it wouldn't be a wolf...
For the subject at hand everything is relatively simple. Modern Ukrainian identity is based on being anti-Russian. They have nothing else to go by to distinguish themselves from Russians unlike the other people of the former USSR that are ethnically and culturally distinct, like Georgians, Moldovans, Azerbaijani and so on. If you take anti-Russianness away from (most) Ukrainians, what do you have left? You find Russians again. This concerns primarily city dwellers in Ukraine who for centuries, basically since the coming of variags Oleg and Igor in the IX century, have associated themselves with Rus', e.g. with Russians. Based on the stance of declaring itself an anti-Russia and yelling from every corner that they are at war with Russia since 2014, Ukraine has set itself for eventual armed conflict with Russia. I didn't believe this war would start in February of this year and I wasn't correct in my assessment of the situation, I admit. But the whole logic of positioning of Ukraine opposing itself to Russia in every possible sense could lead just to one thing - to an eventual hot conflict on the ground. This has little to do with NATO membership for Ukraine, though it became a trigger and a formal reason for conflict, this is a conflict of a civilizational level when one significant part tries to break off the larger part of civilization and for this declares itself an antidote to a larger part.
At this point we have just one winner in this conflict, it is US of A. Considering turbulent period for the world we are entering into right now US in a stroke of genius move had elevated itself above the rest in the Western world. Here are the main achievements:
- Eastern Slavs are busy at killing each other and at destroying the legacy of "complexity", e.g. the great industrial base that Donbass was famous for. This legacy would be very difficult of not impossible to rebuild. Main question is who would do that and why?
- Europe is now detached from Russian resources to a great extent, and that was one of key advantages, by their own admission, that allowed it to prosper since the early seventies. In addition EU members through NATO are burdened with much higher military spending than they ever had to endure since the time of WWII
- UK while trying to surf this situation and reassert its global leadership through involvement in Ukraine, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan is in a precarious situation ecomically and is heading for yet another political crisis
- US on the other hand, with all its shortcomings looks like an island of stability in the Western world attractive for migration of capital and even advanced manufacturing from Europe. Not sure if Joe Biden was behind this grand plan, but we have to give it to the old man, he was the highest ranking and most dedicated member of the project of Ukraine as anti-Russia that got into an active phase approximately in 2012 after re-election of Putin as president despite the direct objection to it by Obama and Biden.
The war is an imperial creation. It serves the interest of Empire on multiple fronts. It is erroneous to assume the US government is much more than as just another imperial vassal, though an important one. Empire cares about no people, and that includes Americans.
If Putin waged the war with an achievable, limited goal, the war would be over. People in the anti-NATO web thought Putin was going to grab the Southeast of the Ukraine then dig-in. Instead at the start of the invasion Putin said he had these giant goals and people said "How will he do that."
Possibility: Putin lost touch with reality due to old age.
The rabid Russian phobia and flamboyant Nazis on the border was a brilliant plan .
Putins vaccine passport legislation was flopping and those Nazis came in handy . Like a political gift that keeps on giving
Thanks Hitler . Hitler was the product of distilled westerness. It’s the inherent evil the flows through the minds of the westerners
Nazi cootie tag. You’re it!
Stalin saved the world and the Jews!
Ok. He wasn’t the best farmer but that was totally the Nazi collaborators fault , Those rich peasants are greedy assholes with a little too much ‘western’ blood in them . Their language is gross
I hate them
I remember the hood old days back in 2009 when Estonia and Kativia were disrespecting Stalin which is basically hating Jews .
The Stalin Jew confusion he didn’t know what to do
you say; Very simple. US wants Ukraine but in package with its partner Russia with whom it shares “such deep ties of family, history, and culture”.
why does us want ukraine and in what sense and what right does the us have to have ukraine?
and then i get confused if you mean nato or the us, it seems to me they are more or less the same.
Looking through history it seems to me fairly obvious that the uk and usa want to cripple russia all along and to do that cut it off from europe; this they have done by organising ww1 (and as consequence ww2) and introducing bolschewism and supporting nazism in hidden ways wheras publicly under the banner of freedom and democracy.
What if? What if a wolf would be a vegetarian, then it wouldn't be a wolf...
For the subject at hand everything is relatively simple. Modern Ukrainian identity is based on being anti-Russian. They have nothing else to go by to distinguish themselves from Russians unlike the other people of the former USSR that are ethnically and culturally distinct, like Georgians, Moldovans, Azerbaijani and so on. If you take anti-Russianness away from (most) Ukrainians, what do you have left? You find Russians again. This concerns primarily city dwellers in Ukraine who for centuries, basically since the coming of variags Oleg and Igor in the IX century, have associated themselves with Rus', e.g. with Russians. Based on the stance of declaring itself an anti-Russia and yelling from every corner that they are at war with Russia since 2014, Ukraine has set itself for eventual armed conflict with Russia. I didn't believe this war would start in February of this year and I wasn't correct in my assessment of the situation, I admit. But the whole logic of positioning of Ukraine opposing itself to Russia in every possible sense could lead just to one thing - to an eventual hot conflict on the ground. This has little to do with NATO membership for Ukraine, though it became a trigger and a formal reason for conflict, this is a conflict of a civilizational level when one significant part tries to break off the larger part of civilization and for this declares itself an antidote to a larger part.
At this point we have just one winner in this conflict, it is US of A. Considering turbulent period for the world we are entering into right now US in a stroke of genius move had elevated itself above the rest in the Western world. Here are the main achievements:
- Eastern Slavs are busy at killing each other and at destroying the legacy of "complexity", e.g. the great industrial base that Donbass was famous for. This legacy would be very difficult of not impossible to rebuild. Main question is who would do that and why?
- Europe is now detached from Russian resources to a great extent, and that was one of key advantages, by their own admission, that allowed it to prosper since the early seventies. In addition EU members through NATO are burdened with much higher military spending than they ever had to endure since the time of WWII
- UK while trying to surf this situation and reassert its global leadership through involvement in Ukraine, Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan is in a precarious situation ecomically and is heading for yet another political crisis
- US on the other hand, with all its shortcomings looks like an island of stability in the Western world attractive for migration of capital and even advanced manufacturing from Europe. Not sure if Joe Biden was behind this grand plan, but we have to give it to the old man, he was the highest ranking and most dedicated member of the project of Ukraine as anti-Russia that got into an active phase approximately in 2012 after re-election of Putin as president despite the direct objection to it by Obama and Biden.
The war is an imperial creation. It serves the interest of Empire on multiple fronts. It is erroneous to assume the US government is much more than as just another imperial vassal, though an important one. Empire cares about no people, and that includes Americans.
If Putin waged the war with an achievable, limited goal, the war would be over. People in the anti-NATO web thought Putin was going to grab the Southeast of the Ukraine then dig-in. Instead at the start of the invasion Putin said he had these giant goals and people said "How will he do that."
Possibility: Putin lost touch with reality due to old age.
The rabid Russian phobia and flamboyant Nazis on the border was a brilliant plan .
Putins vaccine passport legislation was flopping and those Nazis came in handy . Like a political gift that keeps on giving
Thanks Hitler . Hitler was the product of distilled westerness. It’s the inherent evil the flows through the minds of the westerners
Nazi cootie tag. You’re it!
Stalin saved the world and the Jews!
Ok. He wasn’t the best farmer but that was totally the Nazi collaborators fault , Those rich peasants are greedy assholes with a little too much ‘western’ blood in them . Their language is gross
I hate them
I remember the hood old days back in 2009 when Estonia and Kativia were disrespecting Stalin which is basically hating Jews .
The Stalin Jew confusion he didn’t know what to do
But rabid anti Russian Nazis is a dream come true